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On 11 July 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to Noshki District. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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Requested move 11 July 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) Queen of Hearts ^talk 14:48, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nushki District → Noshki District – There seem to be conflicting sources on the name of the district; some sources will use Noshki, renamed from Noshkay, while others will use Nushki. Noshki, from what I can find, seems to be both the more common among reliable sources, and also the correct name.

If consensus can be found to move this page, I'll also be renaming related pages Nushki and Nushki shooting, as they'd be renamed for the same reason. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 06:40, 11 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Quadrantal (talk) 07:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE 14:28, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, no evidence of WP:COMMONNAME presented. At minimum, Ngrams disagrees for both the district and the city. Please provide your evidence, as it appears it isn't the common name using light searching. More in-depth analysis preferred. Ideally any plan to move Nushki should've been bundled in this RM too, as it appears to be the more significant article (whereas the shooting is a descriptive name so should be consistent with this article following this RM), and names of districts and their namesake cities do not automatically align (e.g. city of Pretoria in City of Tshwane). Plus the Pakistani statistics agency uses "Nushki District" for both the 2017 and 2023 censuses, so possibly not the "correct name", which itself is not a strong argument over common name. Dank Jae 15:48, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Both this Reuters article and this English news publication use the spelling Noshki, as well as [1][2][3] these three sources found on the Nushki shooting article. A fourth one even uses a different spelling, Noshaki.

Additionally, Google Knowledge Graph shows the name as Noshki when searching either name as the name on the map, giving the translation نوشکی (Noshki) instead of what is listed on the page currently. Also, on the Nushki page, it says Nushki, but the Urdu given (نوشکی) translates to Noshki. It even gives a second one in the infobox (نوشکے), translating to Noshke.

At minimum, I believe the correct spelling is disputed between Nushki and Noshki, even if this RM does not succeed. SmittenGalaxy | talk! 13:12, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And these use Nushki, [4][5][6][7] whereas this Pakistani source confusingly uses both [8] although Nushki when relating to the prime minister's statement, but the same source also used Nushki here and here. This Radio Pakistan source also uses both. The remaining English source on the shooting article uses Nushki, as does Survey of Pakistan.

Nonetheless, mixed use of either, so there has to be an in-depth comparison of which is the WP:COMMONNAME, not what you argue is the correct name. Ngrams, while very basic, at least paints some sort of picture of the more common of the two.

Google doesn't necessarily use the common name, it may follow governments or simply be incorrect, and by the end of the day Google is just one source and isn't treated as the "sole authority" on names, plus they link to Wikipedia a lot. I am not denying "Noshki" is another form used, open to adding "also spelled as Noshki" etc to the lead if needed, but just stating it does not appear to be as common as "Nushki" for it to be the title, as well as dispute it being the "correct name".

Of course, happy for an in-depth analysis of the two spellings to paint a different picture. Dank Jae 23:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Geography, WikiProject Pakistan, and WikiProject Pakistani districts have been notified of this discussion. ASUKITE 14:28, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: Relist to give time for project notifications - this looks like no consensus barring any further discussion ASUKITE 14:28, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: English is not the primary language in Pakistan, leading to translation and transliteration issues from Urdu or other native languages. This results in variations in spelling based on individuals' education and skills, and even reliable sources occasionally make mistakes. Typically, a well-educated local would be more accurate with spelling. On Google Maps, it is spelled as Noshki. Most Urdu and native sources spell it as نوشکی, which transliterates correctly to Noshki. The spellings نشکی or نُشکی, which transliterate to Nushki, are rarely seen.

Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 14:42, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.